Kannon wrote:In my humble opinion, Grievance is not about world first achievements and being number one in a game. We are family that joins together in these games to have fun. The stress of being elitist should not be what we are looking for. And I know from experience that the people we bring in to be at that top spot in a game are not people that fit with our ethos.
40 man raids are all fun and good but the sheer effort to pull it off is crazy. I think smaller group and multiple raids are a better plan of action.
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Like I mentioned in my previous post I never said world first recognition. I've been in Grievance long enough to know what the organization is about. Because we mostly play for fun and value our families and friendships over our video game time doesn't mean we all don't want to reach for higher goals in the games we play.
That's just my opinion though.
Re: Raids Warplots and some random thoughts
Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 2:54 pm
by NightAngel
There is no reason why we can't strive to complete and be good at this aspect of the game. People just need to know that we may not get there in the time a hardcore guild might and that we won't change our core values for the sake of progression and recognition.
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Re: Raids Warplots and some random thoughts
Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 3:31 pm
by Xryus
Xryus wrote:I feel the same way I've done limited 40 man raids back in the vanilla WoW days, but I still remember what it took to get one started. I would much prefer the 20 man raid size, but I don't think it will give the same level of rewards as the 40 mans will.
I've never been a big gear person, but I do love the feeling of doing the hardest content. Even 5 people all focused on doing something really hard and getting it done is a great feeling.
My hope would be to raid twice a week. The progress will be slower, but hopefully still yield results. Like you I'd also like to PvP and Warplots is going to be top content on that side.
Hopefully the beta will show that 40 mans for raids is just too much work, but if not maybe the 20 man content will be hard enough to feel worth while.
I'm not sure how we went from this post to hardcore value changing raiding.
Re: Raids Warplots and some random thoughts
Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 3:44 pm
by NightAngel
Ahh the nature of forum rabbits/squirrels.
I know they said they would be challenging. I want to know more about the elder game content as a whole besides the warplots, arenas, and raiding. Will there be dailies? Or things for smaller groups?
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Re: Raids Warplots and some random thoughts
Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:28 pm
by Xryus
NightAngel wrote:Ahh the nature of forum rabbits/squirrels.
I know they said they would be challenging. I want to know more about the elder game content as a whole besides the warplots, arenas, and raiding. Will there be dailies? Or things for smaller groups?
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Darn silly wabbits!
If I gave the impression that I was trying to change the soul of Grievance in any way that was not the intention. I want Grievance and all it's future members to have a great place to spend their free time. I joined Grievance to get away from the attitudes and play styles I was dealing with in progression guilds. I just think we can keep the soul of Grievance and still reach the higher levels our way.
Re: Raids Warplots and some random thoughts
Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:39 pm
by NightAngel
I didn't take it that way.
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Re: Raids Warplots and some random thoughts
Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:57 pm
by Steelheart
Larger raids don't necessarily mean attitude changes. We ran 72+ man raids in EQ1 with np and kept the good ol' Grievance family feel. Larger raids just mean a bit more coordination.
You can still raid end content (i.e. EQ2 & SWTOR Republic Guilds) and not be elitists. We have proven this time and time again for more than a decade
Re: Raids Warplots and some random thoughts
Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:32 pm
by Echelon
As Long as they don't separate raids into two versions IE WoW's ICC 10 and 25-man and if there is a Hard mode it would be activated like you would in Ulduar (big red button), NOT just a menu screen to go to a Heroic/Hardmode Version. That is where WoW has gone wrong in Raiding for the past 3 years.
Its better explained in this video of what I mean....
Re: Raids Warplots and some random thoughts
Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 6:40 pm
by Xryus
NightAngel wrote:Ahh the nature of forum rabbits/squirrels.
I know they said they would be challenging. I want to know more about the elder game content as a whole besides the warplots, arenas, and raiding. Will there be dailies? Or things for smaller groups?
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From what I've gathered so far there will be content for smaller groups. I've read/heard that there will be 5 man normal and heroic dungeons. I think there was mention of 10 man dungeons as well. Dally quests I've only heard mentioned when they were talking about housing, but that might just be where they start from. My hope is that there is stuff for smaller groups to do hopefully with enough challenge for it to feel rewarding.
Not everything has to be a challenge. Doing things just because they're fun is great and when you can do them with friends that's even better! I think it's still too early to know what their elder game will offer us as a whole. With a guild the size of Grievance I hope we all find something to enjoy.
