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Charter
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Charter
The Charter
GRIEVANCE
Grievance is a raiding guild.
We have a very rich and honourable heritage that spans many games over many years. The leadership of Grievance has almost an accumulated century of leadership and raiding. To be a part of Grievance is to be Honour incarnate. Grievance is one of the few remaining guilds that raids hardcore, yet still manages to keep a tight family atmosphere.
Our raid times are based on American time zones and usually during the evening. Occasionally Grievance may
schedule daytime raids on the weekends. If this is not for you.......Don't apply.
*Disclaimer*
This charter WILL change as the guild grows and matures. The application & promotion process WILL become more complicated and harder as the guild grows. The Guildleader reserves the right to make changes on the spot rulings to this policy at any time, including on the spot if needed, in order to correct loopholes and keep things fair.
Guild Leader Clause
The Guild Leader reserves the right to make decisions that may at times superceed and/or contradict the charter and policies of the guild. These decisions must never be made lightly and always be done with the betterment of the guild as a whole in mind. The Guild Leader also has last word on all decisions concerning the guild, guildsite, charter, and/or anything pertaining to EQ2 Grievance at anytime.
Common Sense Clause
No policy is 100 percent safe from exploitation and the officers are here to make sure all things are done fairly. All changes made to the charter in this matter will be reviewed by the guildleader before being set in stone.
Raid Leader Clause
During raids (and only during raids) the RL has the ability to override standard loot & raid rules for the betterment of the guild. A Raid Leader is defined as the person who is leading a scheduled guild raid. These decisions should never be taken lightly and should ALWAYS be thought out and discussed with the other officers online before being TEMPORARILY implemented. Long-term repercussions should be taken into account before any final decision is made during a raid.
Example........
Uber Inquisitor breastplate drops during raid and the only Inquisitor present has no points to bid on it. Breastplate is extremely rare and would better be utilized on said player rather than turned into an adornment.
The Guild
The advancement of the guild is all-important. Guild progress equals personal progress. If you are not willing to sacrifice everything for the progress of the guild then stop reading now. You will not fit in.
The Guild's Responsibility to you the player
The guild is responsible for your main character and only your main character. As a guild we will help gear you up with great items and help you complete the necessary quests needed to progress your toon throughout Norrath and beyond.
You (the player) are responsible for your own actions and all other characters you may play from time to time. At no time will the guild intentionally hold events/raids with the sole intentions of specifically progressing anyone's alt character. If said alt happens to get on a raid and even recieves good loot from that raid, consider yourself lucky.
Applying to Grievance
The Recruiting Officer will be issued a list a classes at the beginning of the month that the guild is looking for. This list will also be posted on the Home page of the site. If you are on this list then you may apply. Contact one of the Recruiting Officers.
Requirements to join Grievance is as follows.
- APPLICANTS MUST SUBMIT AN APPLICATION TO THE GUILD BEFORE EVEN BEING CONSIDERED FOR MEMBERSHIP!
- Recruits must be of minimum guild level (Exceptions may be made based on need ator those that are RL friends or family with a current member in good standing time of application ) to join and be one of the needed classes that the guild is currently looking for (ask a recruiting officer if interested).
- Recruits must have their Poison, Heat, Disease, Mental, Divine, Magic, & Cold resists 8000+ unbuffed.
- Anyone let in that does not meet minimum standards (usually friends/family) will remain at the "Applicant" rank until he/she achieves minimum standards. Once minimum standards are achieved then said "applicant" will be promoted to recruit at which point he/she will still have to go through the 3 week (OR MORE!!!) transition process just like regular recruits do. The exception to this is where said "Applicant" is a returning member that plays a class the guild does not need and has been asked by the Guild Leader and/or the Raid Leader to level up a different class in order to better help the guild. This returning member will be promoted to the highest non-commissioned achieved prior to leaving the guild. Said returning applicant is by no means required to changes classes and such a decision is voluntary.
- RL Friends & Family members MUST apply just like everyone else, but are not bound by minimum recruiting standards. Only those members who hold the Member Rank or above within the guild may submit RL friends and family to the guild for invitation.
- Be realistic with your expectations. If you are looking for a 6-7 day a week raiding guild, then we're not what you are looking for. Grievance raids 2-3 times a week, maybe 4 if we are trying to accomplish a serious goal or two.
Heritage Members
These are members of the Grievance community who are currently playing another game and in one of our sister GRIEVANCE guilds, but wish to create a character in EQ2 Grievance. These members MUST be the equivalent (or above) EQ2 Grievance's Full Member status in their current guild. Said members will be guilded automatically as Full Members in Grievance, but may not raid (but may still earn DKP) highest level content until they meet current Full Member prerequisites.
Guild Ranking Systems
Officer Ranks
Officers are appointed by the Guildleader. The officers of Grievance are expected to work as a team at all times and make decisions for betterment of the guild as a whole. Grievance's officers will provide guidance and leadership to its members to help the guild achieve the goals that it has set forth. All decisions made by the officers will be inline with the charter and in the interest of fairness to Grievance and its members.
Guildleader (GL)
The Guildleader is responsible for the overall smooth running of the guild, the guild site, and anything else pertaining to Grievance. It is the Guild leader's responsibility to set in game & out of game (if necessary) goals for the guild to provide the proper direction & course for Grievance. The Guildleader has the final say so on all things pertaining to the workings of the guild and it's membership. At anytime the Guildleader may assume the responsibilities of any other officer position within the guild if necessary and can override any decision made by another officer if said decision is deemed to be detrimental to the guild.
Executive Officer (XO)
The XO is literally a direct extension of the GL and only answers to the GL. The XO is in complete charge of the guild whenever the GL is not present and has the GL's authority to make on-the-spot decisions for the betterment of the guild if needed. As with the GL, the XO can assume other officer positions if needed. The XO will also be responsible for Grievance's Guildhall and all things pertaining within its walls. The XO can override another officer's decision (with the exception of the GL) if deemed necessary.
Raid Leader (RL)
The RL is responsible for setting up and scheduling the guild's raid schedule on a weekly basis. Schedules will be posted in the guild motd, in game mailed to the guild, & posted on the guild site's event section. Raid schedules must be submitted to the GL in advance for approval before being posted. During raids it is expected that the RL will lead the raid unless otherwise stated. All decisions pertaining to raiding fall into the RL's hands unless overridden by the GL or the XO. The RL has the authority to make on-the-spot raid decisions during a raid where such decisions may not be covered by the guild's charter. The RL is considered the third in command of the guild and only answerable to the GL and the XO.
Recruiting Officer (RO)
The RO is responsible for all matters pertaining to recruitment. It is the RO's responsibility to indoctrinate (or have indoctrinated) new members into the guild by going over with said recruit how the guild operates and what is expected of him/her. It is the RO's responsibility to ensure that Grievance has the proper classes needed to achieve the goals set forth by the GL for the guild. In the event that the GL, XO, and RL are not present, the RO will be in charge of the guild and may make decisions for the guild once verbal consent is obtained from the GL, XO, or RL. At no time is the RO to remove anyone from the guild or deviate from the guild's goals unless this consent is obtained first!
Logistics Officer (LO)
The LO is responsible for gathering and deciphering the multitude of information needed by the officer and it's members. The LO's responsibilities include, but are by no means limited to, posting and deciphering parses from raids, evaluating how our members (especially the recruits) are doing on raids, posting needed information pertaining to raids (statics, resists needed, tricks, etc....), Assisting the GL & RO with evaluating classes needed by the guild, and providing the Class leaders with needed information pertaining to their class and the members within it. If the GL, XO, RL, and RO were to be considered the heart of the guild, then the LO would be the veins that provided the blood to all the needed parts.
Class Leaders (CL)
The Class Leaders are directly responsible for the progression of those members within the class that they lead. CL responsibilities include providing direction to those within their class, assisting those within their class toward achieving guild set goals, ensuring that their charges have the needed gear and abilities to be successful at raiding, distributing masters fairly to those that need, and have the resources available to answer those questions pertaining to their class.
Coordinator (CO)
The CO is responsible for directing the guild's crafting members toward helping the guild achieve the goals it has set forth. The CO may schedule guild crafting events (such as crafting instances) at the discretion of the RL as long as they do not conflict with the guild's current raid schedule. The CO is also responsible for managing the guild's status contributions as well as organizing status events to benefit the guild.
Web Guru (WO)
The Web guru (or Web Officer) is responsible for the maintenance and upkeep of the guild site.
Member Ranks
As with all guilds, the members make up the soul of the guild. Member ranks are as follows........
Veteran Member
Senior Members are members who have served at least one consecutive year in good standing with Grievance. Senior Members are allowed to guild up to seven alts in addition to their main toon that is in the guild.
Member
Members (usually referred to as Full Members) are recruits that have been found wanting. A Member may guild up to three alts in addition to their main toon that is in the guild.
Recruit
When guilded, a new member is considered a recruit and has three weeks to meet certain guild qualifications. These requirements are as follows:
- All resists 12k or above
- All spells / abilities adept III or above
- Been in the guild for at least three weeks
- Have their raid bag (see site for info)
- Attend six raids and participate in at least 3 of them
- Any other class specific requirements set forth by their CL
At the end of a recruit's three week trial period it will be decided by the recruit's CL whether they should be promoted, have their probation extended, or rejected. If a recruit does not log on for more than three weeks in a row (without giving the leadership notice) while in the recruit position, then said recruit will be automatically rejected.
Alts
Alts are just that.....alts. A person's needs for their main toon will always take precedence over an alt's needs in Grievance.
Retired Member
Retired members are those members that have made great contributions in the past to the guild and are now unable to play for one reason or another. Retired members will be held in this position for one year before being dropped from the guild.
Vanishing Members
Members may be removed for lack of logging on for long periods of time. The following is a list of these time constraints based on rank......
Recruit - 21days
Full Member - 60days
Senior Member - 90days then moved to Retired status
Retired - 1yr
Anyone removed for these reasons may get back in under then "one freebie" policey with the exception of Recruits that were removed. Recruits that were removed for this reason MUST petition the Leadership for re-admittance. Players who posted in the AFK forums will not be subject to these actions unless deemed neccessary by the Recruiting Officer and the Guildleader.
Three Strike Rule
Strike one!
All members are allowed one free pass back into the guild (no questions asked) unless they were kicked out or left on bad terms. Said members will have their points reset to zero and start over in the dkp system as if they were new to the guild. Any member that got kicked out and/or left on bad terms please refer below to "Strike two!". You used your first strike.
Strike two!
If a member has left the guild a second time ~or~ had been removed and/or left on bad terms. Said member must present his/her case in front of a board of officers (that must include the Guild Leader) to state their case for readmittance into the guild. Said officers will discuss the applicant's case then the Guild Leader will make a decision based on the information at hand. As in the above paragraph, said member will have their points reset back to zero upon being reguilded should they be deemed worthy.
Strike three!
If any member has left Grievance for twice for any reason other than RL circumstances then said member is not welcome back into the family. Grievance does not believe in a revolving door policy and expects it's members to think before they act too hastily when it comes to deguilding oneself.
The guildleader reserves the right to override any of the above for the betterment of Grievance.
Alts in the guild
Recruits are not allowed to guild their alts until reaching full member status. Once a member reaches full member status, he/she may guild up to three alts. After said full member achieves the rank of senior member, he/she may guild up to four more additional alts up to a total of eight.
Multi-boxing (playing more than 1 toon at once) & grouping with guild mates (loot drops)
If you are two-boxing and are grouping with guildies the following loot rules will apply at all times.........
1- Declare to the group which toon you will be using to lotto with on total lotto rolls.
2- NBG
Any toon in a grp may participate in a roll on a NBG item as long as said toon rolling can consider it an upgrade.
3- Total Lotto Rolls
Multi-boxers are only allowed to participate in a TOTAL random item roll with only ONE toon. This means that if an item drops that no one can use then each player may roll on said item (not each toon). Some items that fall in this category are Mastery Quest items, Items no-one can NBG on, Spells/Abilities that can't be used by anyone present and will probably not be needed by the guild (cause guild is already total equipped with it), & anything else that is questionable.
4- But my sister's brother's nephew is playing my other toon!
Too bad.
Two-Boxing during a raid
At no time will a player be asked to two-box (or more) during a raid if it means that someone else has to sit out. However, in certain circumstances where the raid is short on participants it may become necessary for a player to do just this. When this occurs the following guidelines need to be followed......
- If said player is playing his/her main and another toon (whether his or not), that player's main will be assigned the points for that raid and said player may only bid on items for his/her main with those points accumulated by said main.
- If for some reason said player is playing two or more alts (whether all belong to the player or not), then said player must declare which toon will be designated as his/her primary toon for said raid. This primary toon will be assigned points for raid participation and said toon is the only toon which may utilize these points during said raid.
Playing another player's character on raids
Occasionally the guild may be short on certain classes that are absolutely needed for the raid to succeed. At no time should anyone be punished for willingly dropping their own toon and picking up someone else's for the good of the guild. When this happens said player that is playing another member's toon must camp their main toon at the entrance to the raid instance (make sure you can enter said instance with main) prior to logging in the other member's character.
All points earned will be assigned to said players main and not to the other member's character who he/she is playing. Said player may bid on any item that drops that is considered needed by his/her main.
At no time should will points be used for bidding for the other member's toon that is being played by another member. Exceptions to this would be that if no one else on the raid needs, or if the raid as a whole decides to give loot to the character being played, but that decision must be in general consensus of the raid force.
The decision to have a player play another member's character can only be decided by the Raid Leader, Guild Leader, or current officer leading the raid at that time. A member will ONLY be asked to play another member's toon instead of his/her own if it means that the raid would totally fail without the needed class requested. At no time is any member of Grievance Required to play another member's toon.
The only exception to the above is the MT/ST gear-up clause which dictates that we as a guild will endeavour to equip our two tanks for the betterment of the guild for raiding.
Raiding
- Raiding is the Primary focus of this guild. If you do not wish to raid.......Don't join.
- Attendance to raids is Mandatory.
- Only the Guild Leader or Raid Leader may schedule a raid.
- Raids will be scheduled 24-48hrs in advance. Unless a "Call to Arms (CTA)" is issued.
- Rares will be issued to CLs to be distributed for needed spells/items for classes. These items are distributed to improve overall guild raiding and not with any one individual player in mind
General Raid Rules
- Cash Loot on raids will go to the Guild bank unless the Guild leader or Raid leader decide that it can be on auto split.
- Loot WILL be done on a NBG / Point system basis
- If a raid member is found to be disruptive or uncooperative during a raid, the raid leader has the right to eject said member from the raid. If this happens, the ejected member will be docked 10 points and will be subject to guild membership review.
Showing up for scheduled raids
All members are expected to show up to raids on time barring any RL circumstances that may not make this possible. By showing up to the designated raid meeting spot prior to the raid starting (not afterwards), said member will earn 1 point. Once roll call has been taken, members who were not chosen to go on the scheduled raid may choose from the following options..
- Take their 1 point and run. Said member decides that he/she does not wish to earn full points or bid on loot dropped and decides to either log or remain in game doing their own thing.
- Full points earned with loot options. Said member may decide to run writs, participate in a guild group working toward guild goals (i.e. ÔÇô helping someone work on part of their epic), or doing something beneficial to the guild.
- Full points earned with loot options. Said member may decide to stay in an adjacent zone and ÔÇ£wait at the doorÔÇØ in case needed immediately by the raid force. These members will be chosen first (if their class is the one needed) to replace those on raid when deemed necessary by the Raid Leader.
As always it is important to remember that Grievance is a raid guild, and no matter what choice above that a member makes, said member can and will be called into a raid at anytime while online if needed.
If a member is not picked to be on the immediate raid force and desires to take one of the three options listed below, the said member MUST notify the RL of his/her intent!
Guild Writs Option
Running writs (whether crating writs or adventuring writs) while a guild raid is in progress also counts as raid attendance and said writ runner is eligible for points (see Points System).
As long as the intention of writs-while-gaining DKP is not abused, this policy will stay in force. There is no posted minimum number of writs to qualify as "running writs" at this moment because we'll be using the rule of common sense! (But, no, one isn't enough.)
Guild Group Option
Grievance is all about goals and goal setting. If a grp of players that weren't picked to go with the raid force wish to work on guild goals for each other during the raid rather than writs then said group may do so and still earn points (see Points System)
Benefiting The Guild
Another way of earning full points is doing something that benefits the guild through a player's actions while the raid is in progress. Such actions can include, but not limited to, leveling their main toon if not max level yet, helping someone level up their main toon, working on quests associated with guild goals, & pursuing shards for armor upgrades. Determination of beneficial actions will be handled on a case by case basis and approved by the either the Raid Leader and/or the highest ranking officer online at the time.
***Disclaimer***
Members who are not flagged to enter the guild's selected raid instance may still earn full points by doing any of the above, but will not be eligible for loot options due to the fact that said player can not enter the zone.
CTA
A "Call to Arms" is called when a highly contested creature has spawned. Once a CTA has been issued, all guild members online must report at the designated meeting place (will be announced when issued) immediately. Only an officer can issue a CTA.
If no Officer is online then there will NOT be a guild CTA. The member who saw the contested creature should disclose this information to the guild for any assistance from members willing to participate. Guild members in this situation may obtain any outside assistance they can to complete this as a personal challenge. In such an instance as this (w/o an Officer) points will not be used and loot distribution is up to the players involved.
Procedures leading up to a CTA are as important as calling a CTA. When a CTA creature has been spotted by a guildie, said guildie should immediately send a tell to an Officer with the following information........
- Which creature
- Location
- Any other info the member feels is pertinent
If no Officer is online then pleases ignore the above steps.
Once the creature has been identified, the Officer will immediately confer with other online officers to check the feasibility of attacking said CTA creature. If the OFFICERS deem that chances are good for success then a CTA will be issued in guild chat multiple times to ensure that members see the message.
If at anytime a guild member discloses this info to another non-guild member prior to completion of the CTA, said member MAY be subject to immediate disciplinary action and possible dismissal from the guild if the situation is deemed severe enough. Such severe disciplinary action such as a dismissal from guild should be a last resort and based more on the offender's attitude toward the situation rather than just the situation itself. .
Only the Guildleader, Raid Master, or sanctioned officers (by the GL or RM ) are allowed to lead pointed raids. A Sanctioned Officer is defined as an Officer who has permission from the RM to lead said raid. Raid leaders for these types of raids must have a current points list in advance of the raid.
Loot
Each item is assigned a loot whore. The Loot whore is the person taking points for that said item. The loot whore will be stated in guild chat after the officers decide who is best to take points on this particular item. You should read guild chat carefully or you risk sending in your bids to the person who will be bidding Against you. Raid loot will not be lottoed and will be pointed on at the end of the raid for Droppable loot or right after the item drops for No-Trade items. Depending on tactics, some raids may have more than 1 loot whore. The loot whore is responsible for announcing the loot drops and handling bids to distribute them.
NBG
Need Before Greed means just what it sounds like if someone Needs the item they get it above any that just want it for greed. NBG is designed to make the guild stronger as a whole.
Point System
The Guild has a very extensive point system. The point system is designed to reward members proportionately for the effort that they put into the Guild. Points are kept track of by using a point-tracking program on the site. Points are earned by attending raids. These points are then used to bid on items that are looted on a NBG (Need Before Greed) basis. When bidding upon an item be sure to append "need" (needed for the character on the raid for your main gear or Resist gear) or "greed" (whatever you want to use it for.). 1+ need outpoints any greed bid. It is Very important that if you do not Need the item as an upgrade or resist gear that you say greed. If you say nothing next to your bid Need will be assumed so be sure you say greed if it is a greed bid or you will be taking the item away from those that could actually use it.
Need/Greed Raid Bids - if a piece of gear would be an upgrade to your CURRENT, or RESIST set of gear, you may NEED bid upon it. If the piece is highly situational for you, or would use it once in a blue moon, or is a minor upgrade for your backup set - this is not a NEED bid, and should be GREEDED upon. (We have enough menders with us these days I haven't needed my backup armour in a while, how 'bout you guys?) All Greed bids are equal and there are a few options of what you may do with an item that you have won with GREED. You may loot the item yourself, request that it be melted by a transmuter, or you maybe bring in an alt of appropriate level that is in the
Adjacent zone to loot the item, Alt may only be brought in if the raid leader approves of this as it may slow the raid.
Alts and Points
Occasionally the guild MAY need someone to play their alt instead of their main. Said alt may accumulate points. A player should keep in mind that points are assigned per character, not per player. If you are asked to play your alt you Must use that alt's points and if you an item drops that your main could use, you Have to bid Greed to get it on your main.
Alt Need Bid
Occasionally (as stated above) a player will be asked to voluntarily bring an alt or may chose (with permission) to bring an alt instead of his/her main. When loot drops that said alt can use then the player playing the alt may use an Alt Need bid for any item that is considered an upgrade for the alt character.
Alt Need bids may NEVER supersede a regular character's NEED bid on any item being bided on before, during, and/or after a raid. Alt Need bids do however take precedence over Greed bids.
Changing your main character
Occasionally (for whatever reason) a member desires to change the main toon that they play in the guild. Said player should keep in mind that they were recruited into the guild for their main, and not any alts they may or may not have had at the time of being guilded. With that being said, occasionally changing mains does indeed benefit the guild at times. Here are the necessary steps to do this................
- In order for one to change their main, one must first have a current main that meets Grievance raid minimum standards as well as an alt that does as well. Once this is proved, said player must petition their CURRENT class leader for permission to change their main.
- After obtaining this permission the player must next seek permission from the class leader whom his new main would fall under. (easily done if same class leader).
- After completing the above steps, said player must seek final approval from the Guild Leader for the change to become official.
Upon changing mains, the player's new main may KEEP any points that had been previously associated with that character, but will lose all points pertaining to the toon that he/she changed from (set to zero). Such decisions should be well thought out in advance and not spur of the moment. Changing mains must be considered very carefully by all involved in the process. It should be further noted that each request will be handled on a case by case basis with the betterment of the guild in mind as always.
If the guild requests a player to switch mains then said player may keep his/her points that were on their previous main. Since points are assigned per character this will not affect the delicate balance of the DKP system when such switches occur.
Master Spell Policey (raid dropped)
Master spells dropped on raids will be bid on just like any other type of loot dropped on a raid. If only one member of the class that can use said master is on raid then that master WILL default to that player. The exception to this is the MT/ST clause where Guardian masters will default to first the MT then the ST if either of them need. ALL master spells not Need Pointed on will automatically go to the CL for later distribution.
Master Spell Policy (non-raid dropped)
When someone loots a Master Spell and that person mails it to the Class leader associated with the looted spell, said person will be awarded 3dkp. This is for each master deemed needed by the class leader that is donated. Donating Masters Spells is not mandatory, however it is strongly encouraged. If you chose not to participate in this program, then you will not receive any master spells from the guild.
The Class leaders then distribute the masters to their class based on a number of things. Some of these are.........
- Raid attendance
- Play style
- Frequency in game
- Whether a person donates masters or not (Those we find selling masters don't receive any from the guild when donated)
Any master spells that a class leader has an over abundance of may be sold on the broker to buy other needed masters for that class leader's class and then fairly distributed.
Raid Dropped Quest Items
The epic quests put into the game with RoK have added new quest items dropping from raid mobs instead of just everyone getting an auto update, because of this the new policy on raid dropped quest items will be as follows. All raid dropped quest items will be random 100 by those that need the item for a quest they are on currently. If you are not on the step that will be updated by the item you are not eligible to roll on that item.
General Rules & "Play Nice" Rules
- No Snubbing (This is where a player leaves a guild group to join another grp for no apparent justification other than just switching groups)
- No extensive swearing or swearing directly at fellow guild members.
- No political, racial, or religious slurs.
- No excessive sexual chatting.
- Members are required to at least listen in Ventrilo. Since this is a free service & earphones are extremely inexpensive, this should not be a problem.
- If you are caught applying for another guild while in Grievance you will be removed immediately.
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